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Tuesday, July 03, 2007

Some emerging thoughts

I haven't spent much time engaging with the Emerging Church Movement (or conversation) but in a training session I've organised tomorrow for the Student Ministers at the Cathedral they will be talking about it so I've been doing a little bit of reading.

Scot McKnight in a Christianity today article describes one emphasis of the emerging church movement as orthopraxy (right living). Here's what he says:

A notable emphasis of the emerging movement is orthopraxy, that is, right living. The contention is that how a person lives is more important than what he or she believes. Many will immediately claim that we need both or that orthopraxy flows from orthodoxy. Most in the emerging movement agree we need both, but they contest the second claim: Experience does not prove that those who believe the right things live the right way. No matter how much sense the traditional connection makes, it does not necessarily work itself out in practice. Public scandals in the church—along with those not made public—prove this point time and again.

Here is an emerging, provocative way of saying it: "By their fruits [not their theology] you will know them." As Jesus' brother James said, "Faith without works is dead." Rhetorical exaggerations aside, I know of no one in the emerging movement who believes that one's relationship with God is established by how one lives. Nor do I know anyone who thinks that it doesn't matter what one believes about Jesus Christ. But the focus is shifted. Gibbs and Bolger define emerging churches as those who practice "the way of Jesus" in the postmodern era.

Jesus declared that we will be judged according to how we treat the least of these (Matt. 25:31-46) and that the wise man is the one who practices the words of Jesus (Matt. 7:24-27). In addition, every judgment scene in the Bible is portrayed as a judgment based on works; no judgment scene looks like a theological articulation test.


I found myself really disagreeing with this. While I'll agree that Christians should live differently, I'm convinced that our living flows out of our knowledge. It's been a favourite saying of mine for the last month or so - 'preach at the heart and changed behaviour will follow'. Like most things clever - it's not mine, I borrowed it from a friend (thanks Amelia!).

Throughout the Bible we see ethical commands couched in terms of theological understanding - Col 3:1-17 is just one example.

I'm convinced that it is because of who we are that we live a certain way - not living a certain way that makes us who we are. What do you think?

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9 Comments:

  • There is no doubt that people can 'believe the right things' and say them and preach them and yet do the wrong thing. At least on the surface.

    But I think that when someone does the ‘wrong thing’, the Scriptures call into question what that person actually believes, and they call into question whether the person is actually a Christian. And then calls them to repentance: “No one born of God continues to sin”; “Do not be deceived, no who does these things will inherit the Kingdom of God”; “Anyone who keeps on sinning after they have received knowledge of the truth…”; “Wolf in sheep’s clothing”; “Not acting in line with the truth of the Gospel” etc.

    The Scriptures do not put up orthopraxis and set it up against orthodoxy. But they tie the two together. “As many who have been baptized into Christ have clothed themselves with Christ.”

    Yes?

    By Blogger Justin, at Wednesday, July 04, 2007 2:02:00 am  

  • Hey Mandy,

    Just thought you might like a perspective from someone who goes to an "Emerging Church". I would suggest that you are correct when you identity the Emerging Church first and foremost with praxis. Personally, I'd make my first port and call the teachings of Jesus, who I really can't imagine as an abstract theological teacher. His focus is primarily pragmatic and only becomes theoretical when we choose to understand him in this way. I've also had significant exposure to Quakerism which rather explicitly rejects what it calls "notional Christianity" - Christian faith is a "way" rather than a "belief system".

    Rather than simply suggest that you disagree with McKnight, it would be good if you demonstrated in which ways you disagree with him, especially with reference to the Scriptural passages that he uses and how you believe he has misinterpreted these passages. I'd also be interested in what you mean by the following paragraph:

    I'm convinced that it is because of who we are that we live a certain way - not living a certain way that makes us who we are. What do you think?

    Kind Regards,

    David

    By Blogger David Castor, at Wednesday, July 04, 2007 9:24:00 am  

  • Oh, by the way, if you're interested in what we "believe" in my Emerging Church, our website is at www.spaceforgod.org.au. You'd be most welcome to ask a question or leave a comment if you would like.

    By Blogger David Castor, at Wednesday, July 04, 2007 9:26:00 am  

  • I am inclined to agree with you in that our actions are always expressions of our pre-existing relationships. However it is in the expression of these relationships - whether action or reaction - that our identity is formed. We do act on the basis of what we know but we always know more than we can articulate.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Thursday, July 05, 2007 10:38:00 am  

  • I'm convinced that it is because of who we are that we live a certain way - not living a certain way that makes us who we are.

    Are you sure that this is what McKnight is saying? Especially since he also says:
    I know of no one in the emerging movement who believes that one's relationship with God is established by how one lives.

    He is claiming a different focus in discipleship, rather than an entirely different theology. He seems to affirm that theological understanding is relevant for obedience; he just denies that the former exhaustively accounts for the latter. Please don't shoot him for this quote.

    By Blogger byron smith, at Thursday, July 05, 2007 12:49:00 pm  

  • Justin: YES!

    David C: Thanks for your comment - I haven't checked out your church website yet but I will. What I was getting at in my reference to Col 3:1-17 was the connection that I see is established between belief and behaviour. As Justin righly explained, orthodoxy and orthopraxy cannot be separated. Where I was uneasy with what McKnight had said in his observation of the emerging church movement was that the focus was upon behaviour rather than beliefs. Where I struggle with this is that there are lots of people who don't have a relationship with Jesus who do kind and loving things - they can live a life that looks really good, but not trust in Jesus. So I wonder whether there is a danger in looking at behaviour first.

    Cyberpastor - yes, very comforting to remember when I struggle to articulate something.

    Byron - I didn't mean to shoot McKnight down. And I'm with you on what you say, but I just keep questioning where it is that we begin - actions or the heart and am dubious at not starting with the heart.

    By Blogger Mandy, at Thursday, July 05, 2007 4:43:00 pm  

  • Hey Mandy,
    just wanted to say thanks for organising the day.

    By Blogger -bw, at Friday, July 06, 2007 9:13:00 pm  

  • Thats the nature of hypocrisy isnt it? One whose actions does not match their belief/words.

    However simple activity MUST derive from some sort of thinking process, and cannot be as detatched as some might like to think

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Friday, July 13, 2007 11:04:00 pm  

  • Just an observation. It would seem to me that people - I've particularly noticed this amongst my non-christian friends - tend to live a certain way (that suits them or with which they have been brought up) and then pick whatever philosophy/theology etc. fits with that or justifies it. They assume that Christians do the same.

    - JRS

    By Blogger John, at Sunday, July 22, 2007 6:56:00 pm  

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